St. John’s Notebook: No. 23 Seton Hall squeaks past short-handed St. John’s 75-70

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NEWARK, N.J. — No. 23 Seton Hall rode a first half barrage of outside shots to a 75-70 win over a short-handed St. John’s team.

Playing without leading scorer Shamorie Ponds (20.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.8 apg) and fellow guard Marcus LoVett (14.9 ppg), St. John’s battled hard and proved to be a tough out for Seton Hall.

A proverbial game of runs broke out after the Hall poured in perimeter shots in the first half before a familiar New York-New Jersey slug-fest ensued in the second half. 

Seton Hall improved to 13-2 (2-0) when the dust settled on their final game in 2017; the Pirates closed the year on a ten-game winning streak at Prudential Center since their 92-70 loss to Villanova in February.

Five Stats

Seton Hall was aided by ten assists from their forwards. It’s becoming routine for the Hall to find assists from everyone in their starting five, but a total of ten from Angel Delgado (12p, 12r, 6a) and Ish Sanogo (4a, 2r) alone was rare to see. Sanogo’s pair of dishes to Delgado in the paint and then across court to Myles Powell in the second half helped get a big second half run going; the team assisted on 19 of 24 made field goals.

What a strange box score. Eight guys scored all but two of the points in tonight’s game and there were a grand total of zero total points from bench players. As a result, it’s not all that surprising that Justin Simon and Angel Delgado were two rebounds and four assists away, respectively, from triple-doubles.

Delgado continued his offensive rebounding rampage tonight. He was seventh in the nation in offensive rebounding percentage coming into the game with 5.3 over his last seven games. Tonight, he picked up eight on the St. John’s glass including an all-important put-back late in the second half; as I write this, Angel has moved up into sixth in OReb%.

Kevin Willard wouldn’t say it, but his team may have lost this one if it wasn’t for their hot outside hand. After shooting at a stellar 10-18 clip from deep in the first half, Seton Hall shot 3-11 from the perimeter in the second and scored just 20 points until late on. The Pirates looked fairly stagnant in the first when they weren’t lights out from deep; Chris Mullin was resigned to tipping his cap after saying his guys played good defense in the first half.

Myles Powell has now made 4+ threes in six games this season; Delgado has dished 4+ assists in five games.

Five Quotes

Kevin Willard on if the result would have been different if not for hot shooting:We got hot from behind the arc early, and whenever that happens, you always get a little worried about “Does that carry over?” but again, they did a good job protecting their length. When you have [Tariq] Owens down there, and [Kassoum] Yakwe is in there, they’re just long and athletic and I thought they did a good protecting [the paint].”

Willard if concerned about recent stretch of trash talking and technicals:No. I think that’s all between players and players. As long as they’re respectful to the referees and everything else, I’m OK [with it]. We’ve played four straight local teams [actually 5 of last 6]. All these guys play against each other all summer long, they all know each other and they all talk trash to each other. From what I’ve heard, it just good old-fashioned trash talk and my guys have not said anything disrespectful to anybody, the fans the refs. As long as they’re going at it with the [other] guys and it’s good clean competition, I think the refs are doing a good job of calling it when they have to call it and [also] letting stuff go. Especially when you play local teams which we do, there’s always just a different edge, there is, they just know each other, they battle with each other.”

Willard if happy about team winning in a different way than they have been:Khadeen [Carrington] has the flu, Myles Cale sprained his ankle yesterday in practice. Angel had the flu the last couple days, Desi [Rodriguez] is just getting over it. I like the fact that the guys battled through practice yesterday and kind of battled through today. There’s a bug going around this world and I think this week might help us a little bit with getting us healthy again.”

On playing against a team with two injured key players:I think they biggest thing I was worried about when we wound out Shamorie [Pond] wasn’t playing, I thought it’s human nature to relax a little bit and it’s also human nature for the other team to say ‘OK, now it’s my chance to step up and play a little.’ Defensively, they’re so much longer at all the positions. I thought they did a really good job defensively, I think they did a good job of getting in all the passing lanes.”

Chris Mullin on his team’s defensive approach in the second half: “I mean they made deep threes so it’s really not bad defense. Sometimes you have to give credit. They made 16 threes and I wasn’t all that concerned, they made some deep shots, some of them were open but they were deep … With the that lineup that we used, we felt good running them off the three-point line and make them finish over length. You have to give credit when they make shots.”

  • Andrew Herbst

    We lucked out today that we shot so well from three. Going forward, we need to score more inside. We can’t rely on shooting from outside all the time.

    • Joe Schmoe

      Look how many points in paint there were last few games before tonight. This comment doesn’t follow.

      • Andrew Herbst

        You’re right. I stand corrected.

  • SHU95

    St Johns matches up very well with us… Their length gives us fits, they are going to be really good second half of this season & next year. They will be tough to beat when they are healthy & on home court next time…I didn’t love the way we played, but a W is a W & I’ll take it.
    Happy New year!

  • SHU95

    Also, Desi is clearly the choice at the end of games …with good reason… he sealed it once again.

  • LBP

    Don’t think Hall “lucked -out”- match-ups make the Game. Johnnies style is always tuff for the Hall. At the Game, I doubt anyone thought Hall would lose ( a different feel from Bluejays). Hall played hard and weathered the Johnnies best.
    Thing is that Hall will play better and I do not think the Johnnies can play harder or better.
    Happy New Year Everyone–looking forward to 2018.

    • Mike Walsh

      Agree.

    • fouline

      LBP,
      The Johnnies could have played better, LoVett and Ponds were out. We didn’t look good.

      • LBP

        With those two out , I doubt the Johnnies could have played better and had those two played we will never know.

        • fouline

          We won. Game over. But LoVett and Ponds are their 2 best players. They are difference makers. It’s just a warning to our team.

    • Bob Murphy

      St Johns has some leapers and shot blockers inside. So, they were able to run at Angel and force the ball outside. Luckily, we hit shots. If others copy this defense, it will be a field day for Powell, and probably Desi. I agree, all the missed shots look like we were struggling, but that was the defense SJU played. This was a good prep game for tougher games in the league and also eventually the NCAA tournament, where we’ll be up against coaches and teams we’re not as familiar with and need to adjust quickly. Obviously we’ll take the win. In this game, though – I feel like the home court really helped us, similar to the Creighton game. The SJU game on the road will be interesting as they will have some confidence against us plus their home court at that one.

      • Joe Schmoe

        Carrington, Powell and desi are all capable three point shooters. Butler used 15-22 3PT shooting to beat Nova.

        • Bob Murphy

          I agree – it is about taking what the defense gives you. And SHU did.

  • Mike Walsh

    Sounds like 3 of our starters were playing with the Flu, I’ll take the W. Next game with St. John’s is at MSG which is more like a home court for the HALL. I bet we play much better in the rematch. No worries!

    • PadrePirate

      No reason to call KW a liar, but the flu bug comes up often in his press conferences after tough games Dec-Feb. I haven’t had the flu since college. Just wondering why these athletes, who must be in top physical shape, get sick all the time. Must be shaking hands with all those snotty kids signing autographs 🙂

      • Mike Walsh

        I have two healthy 21 year old college juniors at home, both of whom had the flu in the last 10 days. Don’t understand why KW would need to stretch the truth or lie after winning his second Big East game and posting a 13-2 record, going 3-0 over top 25 teams.

        • Louie Dee

          Because he’s a weirdo! Lol

          He knows tonight was a bad performance.

      • cali jack

        Agree.The 3 guys who had the flu and the 4th with a bad ankle scored all the points!They should spread the flu to the other 6 guys who scored 0 points combined!KW tries to hard to be a comedian /politician at times.

  • cali jack

    Not surprised by close game.All BE games are wars especially when rivalry involved.3 point shooting in first half looked like Butler yesterday!However,this is impossible to maintain throughout game and having all points scored by 4 guys isn’t good .Really had no inside game other than AD offensive rebounds/put backs.We have no offensive threat at the 4 and that hurts especially on AD double teams..Love DR outside shooting but would like to see him inside mixing it up more driving to the basket and taking intermediate jumpers.This makes the offense much more balanced.

  • Louie Dee

    I’m sorry guys but I’m waving the Bull Sh*t flag up and high!! Every year I hear Willard throw down the flu card, I’m not falling for it. They played exactly how they played against Rutgers. I don’t know about you guys but I’m disappointed with the proformance tonight.

    Willard does a horrible job of motivating these guys. They need to play like there’s a min left and the game is tied even when they are up by 10points and there’s 8mins left. There’s a motivation issue here. They lose focus quickly. Am I the only one that seee it? That’s a coaching issue.

    • PadrePirate

      Agree on KW. I like him, but he seems too relaxed, let ’em play type coach. During the Willard era, this team historically plays up or down to the level of their opponents. We never see 30-60 pt blow outs like other top 20 programs. This team is, and has been for 8 years, a scrappy, roller-coaster style, just barely get the job done type team. It’s nerve-racking and fun at the same time. Callipari gets upset when he doesn’t beat Popcorn State by more than 50 pt margins. St John’s is no Popcorn St, but you get the idea. We claw our way through games.

      • Louie Dee

        It’s a shame because tonight should have been a blow out and our bench could have had some much needed experience. I’m afraid for our team next year.

        • LBP

          Happy New Year Louie Dee–
          Johnnies played hard last nite when there was every excuse available for them to get routed. The Hall met that intensity. Have Fun watching this Team–next Year will take care of itself

      • Joe Schmoe

        Dude, did you watch the DePaul/Xavier game? DePaul was within a possession in the final seconds on the road vs one of the top teams in the country. Should that game have been a “blow out”? The talent gap between the top and bottom of the league is not that wide. Likewise, the talent gap between a top 25 and a bubble team (50-75) isn’t all that wide either. Now add in the “local rivalry” of local kids vs local kids that have know. And played against each other their entire lives… yesterday was great basketball. Go hall.

        • PadrePirate

          With you, Joe. From what we’ve see these first few games, the BE looks really even this year. Even Gtown and DePaul look decent.
          My comment wasn’t just about our last game vs. the Johnnies, but this season and our program in general. Even during the OOC we didn’t really blow out anyone (Kentucky style), and I can’t recall the last time we did. I don’t expect that from this team and it doesn’t really matter. My point was that this team has played to the level of their competition during the 8 years I’ve been following them. When they get the job done, it’s often in dramatic fashion.

    • shufaninva

      The defensive urgency did have some good spots though. They locked down and were all over them at times. More consistency would be nice though.

  • PadrePirate

    Anyone have access to an advanced stat service? I’d love to see our bench points on the year, and where we stack up nationally. I would guess we’re bottom 300+

    • LBP

      Happy New Year Padre- With this Team , led by the Senior 3, shots are hard to come by ( Myles Powell has taken 8 shots against Bluejays and 8 against the Johnnies). Coach is integrating the Bench now with the Starter where deference is given. That is the way it is going to go — the Bench must play hard D and hopefully make the 2/3 shots given.

    • Matty P

      Haven’t seen any advanced stats on bench points, but Kenpom does mention they are 344th in bench mins. So just based on that alone I would imagine it has to be towards the bottom of the NCAA.

  • 1968_bills_fan

    Something not discussed in the number of steals that the Johneys had. They were missing their two top guards and leading scorer, but they were replaced by athletic, long armed guys, who were quick and trying for steals and disruption. Okay, they lost by not having the starters, but they gained something with their replacements. SJ had 23 points off of turn-overs- you might guess something like 20 forced turn-overs/steals? Those active long arms gave a different flavor of defense that we haven’t seen this year and they jumped and deflected a lot of balls. I think it was good to have to fight through that and the experience will help in future games.

    • shufaninva

      And our football team is back in the playoffs!!!!!!

  • PadrePirate

    An undisclosed source has confirmed that Tariq Owens has contacted Myles Powell for weight gaining tips. Apparently, cheese was an important factor overlooked in his nutrition plan.

  • VinBick

    Took a second look at the game last night on tape, and it seemed to be an old-fashioned Big East war. Coach Willard’s post-game reinforce that aspect, too. Many of these NJ-NY players have known each other for years and the competition is intense. What may look ugly is tenacity at the highest level for bragging rights. It rubs off on all of the participants.

    Watching the replay, it does not bother me that only four players scored. Nothing was run for others on set plays. The hot hands were firing away from deep which won the game. The Hall won the first half by ten; the Johnnies won the second half by five= HALL won the game! Next up, brutal Butler Bull Dogs. Hang on folks, here we go again!!!!!!

  • RonD

    Totally disagree the Hall “lucked out.” If you were at the game you saw how long and athletic the Johnies are. Sure with Ponds and LoVett they have more scoring but give up a lot on defense. And with those guys in there do you think Owens, Simon, and Clark get all those shots? No way.

    About the defense, LoVett is 6’0” and Ponds is 6’1.” They we’re replaced by Simon at 6’5” and Clark at 6’7” and long. They both had a size advantage over Khadeen and Desi. Then they played a zone to close off the paint to Angel and to stop penetration. Then in the 2nd half they extended the D almost out to half court and pressured everybody with their length.

    Despite that we found a way to win against an inspired rival. C’mon, there is another BE team out there that we are playing against doing their best to beat us. At the end Angel got lose for key buckets, Khadeen was 7/8 from the line and Desi once again iced it.

    The one concern I have is ball handling against strong pressure defense. We saw it vs Creighton and St John’s. That’s an area that needs improvement.

  • Joe J

    SJU was missing both starting guards. How would SHU fare in a game without Carrington and Powell? We all know the answer. That is my concern with this team going forward. No depth at all which is needed especially in the brutal big east. SJU with only 7 players were more than competitive. They have depth. Willard and his staff needed to do a better job recruiting and came up woefully short.

    • Joe Schmoe

      This was said in reverse about the jonnies… if Powell and carrington were out, Cale and Walker get more minutes. If Cale and Walker get more minutes, they get more shots. Since not a lot of film exists on Cale and Walker, and teams likely haven’t spent a lot of time prepping to defend them, the might get a lot of open looks and actually play well. The pirates are a deep team…

      • Joe J

        Playing time does not equal success. Both Cale and Walker have gotten playing time and have struggled. There is nothing to prove that the Pirates are a deep team right now. What has anyone except for Nzei done off the bench so far? When the bench comes in the leads dwindle and the deficits increase. The starters are being forced to play too many minutes already so far

        • z06

          I agreed with you,Bench isn’t to strong right now

    • Mike Walsh

      Joe J – You are such a downer. If things are so bad you might want to consider rooting for another team. Joe Schmoe is correct, if Walker and Cale were thrust into lead roles they may prove to be capable. These freshman are learning a new system where they are bit players on a senior laden team, it is intimidating trying to prove yourself under these circumstances. Walker and Cale haven’t played significant minutes and should not be judged on what we’ve seen. Give it time.

      • Joe J

        Mike – SHU will ailways be my team, win or lose, However I look at the team objectively without the Pom Poms. To say SHU is currently a deep team is not true. I wish they were believe me. The acclimation time was for November and December vs the weaker part of the schedule and it just never materialized. I hope the freshmen turn it around quickly but it hasn’t happened yet. I really hope it does. It’s not only offensively but devensivly as well. We are all Hall fans here but see the team differently which is fine.

    • RonD

      Joe J, I was with you up until your last statement. Cale is top 100, Sandro and Walker were just outside top 100. The recruiting is fine.

      Those guys are not going to get offensive opportunities on a team like SHU with five established veterans, four of whom are seniors, three are 1000 point scorers, one AA candidate and three potential all BE players. The freshmen guys job this year is two fold: play D and don’t make mistakes when they are out there.

      Our depth consists of nezi/Ish, three frosh and a sophomore. St. John’s depth was two transfers from football 5 schools. Big difference. Next year we have a top notch transfer coming in from Syracuse.

      Now if we have an unfortunate injury, well then it’s our tough luck. But don’t say Willard and staff came up woefully short. It’s amazing we got the freshmen we did knowing that there was no playing time available.

      • Joe J

        I guess you are right Ron but the PG position was open coming into this season. My biggest issue was wasting our time going after Duval who strung us along for months while other potential true solid PG’s went elsewhere. He was always going to Duke according to most of the recruiting experts.

        • RonD

          Joe, I would only say that the only point guard coming in who would have a chance to play major minutes/start was Duval. Other than him who is going to play? You would have to sit someone. Who would that be: Powell? Khadeen? Desi? Not going to happen unless it was truly a 5* talent. It was Duval or no one because quality point guards want to play right away.

  • Mike Walsh

    Big East has three teams in top 8 on RPI Ratings; Xavier #2, Seton Hall #7 and Villanova #8.

    • shufaninva

      Man, what would our RPI be if we had beaten Yucktgers??

  • RonD

    The Hall didn’t luck out. Yes, Ponds and LoVett would make a difference, especially on offense (even though one of them is shooting 40% from the field and 21% from 3) but they would lose something on D. Their replacements were 6’5” and 6’7” and long, bigger than both Desi and Khadeen.

    Also, if those two guys play do you think that Owens and the other guys get all those shots? No they would not. They all scored above their averages and Owens hasn’t made 3s all year.

    St John’s played great D with their length, swallowed Angel inside and closed off the paint to penetration. They gave up 3s in the 1st half and we burned them. They extended their D in the 2nd half and it worked and fueled their comeback. All that said, we out played them late, Desi with the dagger, and the key guys made their FTs down the stretch.

    Not looking for style points. Survive and advance.

  • PadrePirate

    Your favorite SHU MBB moment of 2017?

    The come back W vs Marquette on Jan 1–6 pts in last 30 seconds–has gotta be up there. Biggest let down was definitely the Josh Hart tip-in vs. Nova to close out the BET.

    • SHU95

      Mine was the Big win at Butler… (Who we never seem to beat)… Powell drilling that 3, Which sealed the NCAA bid

  • Matty P

    Glad to come away from this game with a win. St John’s always concerns me bc of their length and athleticism. Delgado’s lack of average or above average athleticism seems to always give him problems against the St John’s shot blockers. Also, those shot blockers do a good job protecting the lane which is where Carrington and Desi excel.

  • VinBick

    The Hall moved up two spots to # 21 in this week’s poll. A win at Butler on Saturday will move us up another spot or two with others above us losing during this week. Go Pirates!

  • PadrePirate

    Interesting write up on Isaiah Whitehead. Sounds like he’s slowly improving down in long Island but has kept some of the bad habits we knew from the Hall days.
    https://nothinbutnets.com/2017/12/31/rise-fall-isaiah-whitehead/

    • Joe Schmoe

      Ill be surprised if the Nets pick up his contract and keep him on after this season. A lot of his money was back ended into the non-guaranteed part of his contract, which expires in a few months.

      • RonD

        He will have recived over $2 million by the time the guaranteed portion of his contract is up in June. At that point the Nets have a team option for the remaining two years and $2+ million remaining.

        He has done very well financially for a 2nd round pick, essentially getting late 1st round money. It was time for him to move to the NBA. That’s the only way he is going to improve. The G-League is ok for him now. He needs to get time with the ball in his hands.

        His biggest issue is turnovers. He plays well in spurts. Unfortunately, several great plays are followed by a bad turnover to the point where the Nets don’t trust his decision making in critical spots.

        • Bob Murphy

          You raise a good point with the turnovers. That also goes back to college. Freshman year, he played the 2 for SHU. Sophomore year, he moved to the point. So, now, I guess he’s a combo guard, maybe not good enough presently to start at either position. I agree with the earlier point that he’s probably helped because the Nets are not a good team now, but with Dinwiddie emerging and Lin/ Russell eventually returning to the 1 and 2 respectively, minutes will be tougher to get for Isaiah. He may bounce around, or even end up in Europe or China as others have done.

        • PadrePirate

          He doesn’t play with a high bball IQ. Maybe it’s that he was trying too hard to prove his worth with few minutes he had and ended up forcing it. That’s an understandable rookie error, but you’d think he would have identified this weak spot and tried to adjust after falling out of grace with the coaching staff. At this point, he’s going to have to go the long, difficult route of the G-league/Euro circuit, because he blew the opportunity he had at Brooklyn. It is possible to work back up from the G, like Dinwiddie did, but rare.

    • Bob Murphy

      When Whitehead declared for the draft, I and several others on this board thought it was short-sighted. Obviously, he went for financial need. But, if he had played his junior year at SHU, he likely would have been a 1st round selection – meaning a guaranteed deal. As it was, he ended up going in the 2nd round, and showed like a guy who had essentially a year and one-half in college (he was hurt for a considerable time his freshman year) trying to play the pro game for a bad team. I hope he emerges from the G League with a little polish and can become a dependable reserve at the pro level – and at least get a good payday.

    • Valentino

      I don’t believe more time in college under Kevin would have benefited Isaiah. Sloppy ball handling seems to be a characteristic of the recent Hall Teams

      • Rich Ricci

        I completely agree with you Valentino. Isaiah Whitehead is naturally a shooting guard, but doesn’t have the height to be consistently effective in the NBA, which is the main reason why Kevin Willard tried to transform him into a point guard, Although he’s a superior athlete and was able to play his new position effectively at the college level, doing it in the NBA, where he’s up against the best athletes in the world night after night, is an entirely different story.

        He was fortunate that the Nets were a bad team, so they took the “local kid” in the hopes he would draw some fan interest and was given a lot of playing time when Jeremy Lin was hurt most of the year but, beyond that, he has no real future in the NBA.

      • Rich Ricci

        I completely agree with you Valentino. Isaiah Whitehead is naturally a shooting guard, but doesn’t have the height to be consistently effective in the NBA, which is the main reason why Kevin Willard tried to transform him into a point guard, Although he’s a superior athlete and was able to play his new position effectively at the college level, doing it in the NBA, where he’s up against the best athletes in the world night after night, is an entirely different story.

        He was fortunate that the Nets were a bad team, so they took the “local kid” in the hopes he would draw some fan interest and was given a lot of playing time when Jeremy Lin was hurt most of the year but, beyond that, he has no real future in the NBA regardless of how many years he played in college.

      • PadrePirate

        The author didn’t argue that he should have played longer at the college level. I just thought it was interesting to see that the same “cyclone” drives that drove me crazy during his two years here have continued. He had a great opportunity with Lin’s injury to get some quality exp at the NBA level, but kept falling in the pecking order mainly due to his high TO’s and poor decision making. It’s a shame, because he was an athletic, talented kid, if he would just listen to his coaches. He can’t put on 2-3 inches to compete as a NBA SG, but he can improve his decision making with the rock.

        • Valentino

          My bad in the posting. I should have directed my REPLY to Bob Murphy’s post below.

    • Matty P

      The unfortunate thing to me is that they’re trying to fit a round peg into a square hole by making him a PG. The problem is he’s about 2 inches too short for a SG which is really where he should be playing. He also doesn’t shoot the 3 ball well which is one thing the Nets have been doing a lot of with their new coach. Otherwise he could fill a role as a good 3 and D player that has the ability to occasionally get to the rim.

      • Rich Ricci

        You’re one hundred percent correct, Matty. For some reason, coaches feel that they can transform a shooting guard, who doesn’t quite have the size to compete consistently, into an effective point guard, and that very rarely, if ever, works in the long run. They fail to consider that a shooting guard, more often than not, just doesn’t have a pass first mentality, superior court vision, solid ball handling skills to allow him to penetrate defenses and get into the paint while under control, a high basketball IQ and natural leadership qualities that a good point guard MUST have.

        This is exactly why I’ve been apprehensive about having Khadeen Carrington play point guard this season because, in addition to now being weaker at two positions, the move will eventually come back to hurt Seton Hall in a close game against top competition, it’s just a matter of time!

  • Mike Walsh

    Texas Tech defeated Kansas at Kansas tonight by 12 points, they are now 13-1. Seton Hall is the only team to defeat TT so far and by a 10 point margin.

  • RonD

    For posters interested in Whitehead: he has been out the past few games with a “minor knee issue.” With LeVert out last night he wasn’t called up to back up the point due to his injury.

  • PadrePirate

    Marquette looked good vs Prov. Their backcourt is going to give us fits. They spread the floor well and have great perimeter shooting. I’ve also been surprised by this Krampelj kid on the Jays. He’s an athletic big and only a sophmore. Creighton has a balanced team and all 3 of their losses have been to top 25 teams (Baylor, Gonzaga, SHU). Enjoying BE play so far.

    • Matty P

      Howard, Rowsey, and Hauser are going to give a lot of teams trouble if they can’t run them off the 3 point line. I didn’t get to see the Marquette vs Providence game, but the box score is interesting. Marquette shot 50% from the field and 3, made 11 more 3s than Providence, and took 13 more shots then Providence. But Providence shot 25 more free throws and was +11 in rebounds.

      • cali jack

        Marquette is a very beatable team but we must defend the 3 point line.Howard only got 10 points in the first half when a long Diallo 6’5″ was on him.Then foul trouble for Diallo and Howard went nuts. Sanogo should be on Howard and KC and MP defense on Houssey will be key also.Do that and we win.Don’t and we lose.Same thought will determine winner of SHU/Butler game.

      • PadrePirate

        They both drive to the hole very effectively too. Still, I would rather play them tight around the arc and try to stuff passing lanes, then allow them to drop bombs all night like they did vs Providence. Let ’em beat us in the paint if they can. For now, Butler is a different pair of gloves. Jorgensen and Baldwin have turned out to be a nice back court with KMart as their go to scorer from the wing. Wideman is their best big. Beefy kid, but I think Angel can score over him.

    • VinBick

      No gimmies in the Big East. Records will all be similiar come March. No undefeated teams with the balanced talent. Last night’s games were both fun to watch.

      • PadrePirate

        Unf, it seems like most youtube channels have stopped posting full-length replays, so I’ve been reduced to the 3 min highlight reels. Still enough to see some really quality play. I will take time for the teams to separate a bit into tiers. I’ve been most impressed with the programs who have stayed highly competitive after losing quality seniors. Hope we can say the same next year…

  • Thehall

    Butler win!! Is a must.l!!! Can help us move up. 10,11,12,15,22,23 have all lost this week. Texas Tech beat Kansas in Allen field house. Still think we are the 3rd best in the big East. Xavier looks really good to me. They have great role players and stars. Hope I’m wrong. Lets go pirates

    • PadrePirate

      We’ll need to beat Butler and Marquette before we can solidly claim 3rd best in BE. Both teams are shaping up nicely. Creighton, us, and those two are pretty evenly matched IMO.

  • PadrePirate
  • Matty P

    For anyone interested here’s an interview Andy Katz did with Willard (19 min mark). They talk about the Big East and the team.
    http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-01-05/march-madness-365-podcast-chris-beard-talks-about-beating