Seton Hall vs. Arkansas open thread: Hall looking for first tournament win since 2004

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Greenville, S.C. — Seton Hall is eyeing their first NCAA tournament win since 2004 to mark yet another step up in program stature over the last two seasons under Kevin Willard.

As made clear over the last few days, the team seems infinitely more focused ahead of a favorable first round draw compared to last season.

A date with North Carolina — or perhaps the first 16-seed to pull off the feat in Texas Southern — awaits in what will be a semi-home environment but not quite as raucous if the tournament site had been located in Greensboro, N.C. instead of Greenville.

Vegas and KenPom both like the high-flying Razorbacks by a point, but pre-game buzz from Seton Hall’s side of the tracks remains skeptical of the SEC team when compared to the outlook on Gonzaga a year ago.

My scouting report of Arkansas and three keys to Seton Hall victory can be found here. I have also rounded up all of the recent feature stories published by other beat writers below — let me know if I missed any.

Sullivan: Patience pays off for Seton Hall AD and coach (The Record)

For Seton Hall basketball, Carrington carries the load (APP)

The ex-Seton Hall star behind the team’s NCAA renaissance (NY Post)

Seton Hall’s Kevin Willard silences critics (APP)

Powell poised to dance after up and down rookie year (Setonian)

How a point guard’s — and coach’s — 2nd chance has Seton Hall dancing (NY Post)

For Delgado, praise from a Seton Hall legend (APP)

SHUHoops prediction: Seton Hall 82, Arkansas 71

KenPom says: No. 39 Arkansas 74, No. 51 Seton Hall 73 (46%)

Series history (SH 0-1)

Dec. 8, 2010 – Arkansas 71, Seton Hall 62 — Louisville, Ky.

Projected Arkansas starters:
G – Jaylen Barford
G – Dusty Hannahs
G/F – Manuale Watkins
F – Dustin Thomas
F – Moses Kingsley

Projected Seton Hall starters
G – Madison Jones
G – Khadeen Carrington
F – Desi Rodriguez
F – Mike Nzei
F – Angel Delgado

TV: 1:30 ET, TNT
Radio: AM 970 (Gary Cohen & Dave Popkin)
Opening Line: Seton Hall +1

  • shufaninva

    Good Morning Pirate Fans!!!!
    Let’s enjoy the ride! Hazard Zet Forward!

  • SHU95

    Let’s Go Pirates!!!!

  • LBP

    Great Day to be a Pirate– St Patty will help us today–Let’s have fun

  • Andrew Herbst

    Can’t wait for this game to start. GO PIRATES!

  • Ardy

    When the hall plays as a team they can beat anybody. Hope they are on the same page.
    and the most important thing is the team WIN. My main concern is No hero ball please. My other concern is our bench.If we can get some surprise points from there we may be this years Cinderella! GO PIRATES. If they win I am going to the NC game.The way they played Nova this last time proved to me they can beat a number 1 team. GO PIRATES!!!

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  • Matty P

    Not sure if anyone else sees it, but I think Delgado has a different look in his eyes this game.

  • PadrePirate

    Can’t believe that there is no live radio coverage of this game. NCAA.com blacks out streaming for overseas. If anyone can help me out, we only get to dance once a year! GO HALL

  • Andrew Herbst

    Good 1/2. Kingsley is a beast. Powell stepped up. Hopefully we can find a way to stop Kinsley in 2nd 1/2.

    • Matty P

      I’m hopeful that the half will slow his rhythm down a little. Seems like he’s making shots he wouldn’t normally make since most of them have been beyond the foul line.

      • Andrew Herbst

        That’s what I’m hoping for as well

    • PadrePirate

      Surprising. He was scouted as a defensive specialist.

      • Andrew Herbst

        I heard same thing

  • Matty P

    Arkansas is lucky to have the bench depth they’ve got. Most other teams would be in a trouble with the number of fouls a couple of their guys have.

  • Joe J

    Kingsley outplayed Delgado big time in the 1st half. Time for Delgado to step up in the 2nd half for the Hall to win

    • Matty P

      Difficult to not get outplayed by a guy who’s having probably one of his best shooting days in his career. He’s made as many shots as the rest of his team and half of their 3’s.

  • DougFlynn

    Just looking in on my PC. 4 point lead with about 6:40 left. Arkansas is pressing us – just turned over Madison Jones. This will be tight the rest of the way. Nervous time as SHUs weakness are PG and foul shooting – just saw Angel shoot an airball on free thrown – ball slipped out of his hands…

    Looks like Arkansas has spread their D out now, meaning once across half court, Angel is one on one under basket. Double runs at him, he has to be able to pass over it as it comes to him. Hopefully our poise holds up.

    • DougFlynn

      Well… we did not need Angels 4th foul. Announcers just said that Anthony was injured and is being held out for concussion protocol…

  • PadrePirate

    Really dumb foul by Angel on the perimeter. Will have to sit out now with 4 PFs and the game tied. Momentum definitely swinging toward the Hogs. Feels like it’s slipping away. Need some stops.

  • DougFlynn

    Oh man. Two TO’s by Khadeen… Not good this late. We need Powell to hit a 3.

  • DougFlynn

    Are you freakin’ kidding me. That was a flagrant????? What a terrible call.

  • DougFlynn

    Game. What a horrendous call by that ref on Desi. Just terrible.

  • PadrePirate

    Wow. Mental errors, missed FTs and tough calls down the stretch. Oh well…

    Angel’s game showed me why he is not ready for the NBA. Out played by a more athletic guy, the type who are a dime a dozen in the pro’s.

    • DougFlynn

      I agree that Angel is not a NBA player at this point. But as a team we did have 20 offensive rebounds… And given that, there is only one way you lose – by giving up possessions with turnovers and missed free throws. Bottom line, even with that call, you hit 75% from the line, you win easy.

  • That was a simply terrible way to end the season. Bad calls, yes. But Field Goal and Free Throw percentage was simply horrendous.

  • Joe J

    I severely and I mean severely screwed in this game. Honestly, the NCAA needs to investigate this game. That said Delgado needs to come back. He played like a freshman in a huge game. Horrible passes, little defense and stupid fouls by Delgado. Kingsley took him to school

    • PadrePirate

      5 TOs and 5 PFs. That doesn’t reflect missed tips and bunnies either. Not good on the big stage.

      • Joe J

        Right. Forget the double double by Delgado. Kingsley ate him up. the wild passes up the court were Ridiculous. Even so, I totally believe the game was fixed

        • PadrePirate

          Don’t know about a fix, but I did see poor end of the game execution by just about everyone–Angel, KC, Desi. Missed travel and not really flagrant were the final daggers, but we put ourselves into that with one of our famous 2H droughts and then a ton of mental errors. I wish KW would have used his time outs to try to reset these guys mentally.

  • PadrePirate

    Desi should have wrapped up that kid rather than pushing from behind. A little theatre to take the dive sealed the flagrant.

    • DougFlynn

      No – he touched the kid in the back with both hands. The kid tripped over his feet at the same time. Totally inadvertent. Terrible call. Clougherty lives!

      • Joe J

        Yes it’s 1989 again. Except that Hall team was way way better than this Hall team and deserved to win it all

        • DougFlynn

          Agree – that 1989 game gave me nightmares – and they were a better team. Truthfully they were a much better team than this years team – or the 1989 Michigan team.

    • Thehall

      No way technique he is trying to foul. Its a given. If you played that’s basketball

  • Andrew Herbst

    Such a disappointing way to end year. The flagrant foul was really bad. But we had this game and blew it. Too many turnovers and missed free throws. We need a PG next year. Khadeem is not a PG.

    • PadrePirate

      Can’t see Trevon being attracted by another first round exit. I feel like we gave this one away at the end. I think we shot 50% from the line

      • Andrew Herbst

        We’re not getting him. We had this game, but blew it. We were 13-21 from charity strike. Can’t wait in the tourney shooting like that

        • DougFlynn

          It has been the same weakness all year. No PG and bad foul shooting. Those things mean alot in a single elimination tournament. With even average grades in those two departments, I would say we’d have beaten both Nova and Arkansas.

          • Andrew Herbst

            Agreed

  • Joe J

    Big east refs would never make that call. I’ve seen worse hard fouls than that. And to call that in an ncaa game is a crime. How about the travel call? The Arkansas player travelled after the inbound play before the foul and no travel called. Investigation is needed on the last 1:32 of this farce of a game

  • PadrePirate

    Great answer from KW on the calls at the end of the game. He’s totally right, we should not have been in that desperate situation anyway. The game was lost earlier on some of those big momentum swinging TO’s.

    • Thehall

      Still had a chance. Game was ended on a terrible call. Anyone who plays basketball knows a foul is coming. Doesn’t negate a terrible call.

  • Pirate_Law

    On the bright side, none of our players punched an Arkansas player in the nuts.

    • Thehall

      As mad as I am that’s hilarious

  • Matty P

    Really disappointing end to the season. I can’t even comprehend how SHU lost this game. SHU took 10 more shots from the field, made 3 more three pointers than Arkansas, and had 21 offensive rebounds, but yet they somehow lost this game. The things that did this team in are the same issues they’ve had all season. Free throw shooting (13-21) and turnovers (15). The most frustrating thing about the free throws was that everyone shot them well except Desi who went 1-5 and missed the front end of at least one of those attempts. Delgado made the same mistake twice of trying to force a half court pass instead of just getting it to a guard to bring the ball up. And then Arkansas ran that trap how many times and each time it gave our guys trouble. You would think after the first 2, 3, or 4 times they would have realized it would be coming once they set the high pick. Overall just a very frustrating way to have the season come to a close when they had a chance to make some noise.

  • Thehall

    So mad I called francesa. Bs call. Not sure we would win. But that call ended our season

    • DougFlynn

      We’ll never know if we would have won that game, but 2 FTs plus possession in a 1-point game with 20 seconds left pretty well does it. Let’s put it this way, I would have liked to see us get the ball with a chance to win or tie. The refs made sure we did not. I have no idea how they could have watched the video on that and made that call. Terrible. Incompetent.

      • Thehall

        Totally agree.

  • Matt

    Missed free throws has been the story from Day 1 this year. Very disappointing way to end what I think was a very entertaining season. Just hope we can start landing some nice recruits from the class of 2018 so that we can keep this going and get better over time. I was really hoping this class would jump start SHU recruiting for years to come but I haven’t been overly impressed. Speaking of which, does anyone know why Willard does not play Eron Gordon? The kid seemed like a nice recruit with other impressive offers coming out of high school.

  • ThePirateFan

    An intentional foul is only flagrant when it’s excessive contact, above the shoulders, or when the ball handler has a clear path. None apply. Horrible call.

    Still, Willard was right – never should’ve put themselves in a situation where they are fouling to stretch the game.

  • Matty P

    I don’t want to make anyone’s blood boil, but I decided to see where the officials tend to officiate their games. I can tell you based on looking through a couple dozen box scores that both Doug Sirmons and Mike Nance have done a bunch of SEC games, including, but not limited to Arkansas games (i.e. Arkansas at Florida).

    If the NCAA is going to be serious about these games they need to completely eliminate any perceived favor towards one team or another. For example if you’re going to have a BE and SEC school play why not have an ACC, B10, A10, or B12 group of officials. I’m all for keeping groups of officials together, but do so in a way where they aren’t officiating an NCAA tournament game for a league that they typically officiate.

  • LBP

    Extremely disappointed ( and not B/C I lost a ton of $$$$– I will get that back when NC clobbers a bad Razorback Team)– just stunned. Hall looked like a bunch of Frosh and lost in last 2 minutes. Not the Team I followed or expected.
    In Atlantis ( Bahamas) room was rocking for the Hall –despite suffering a Michigan last second failure to cover– everyone stunned ( my explanation that a true point Guard would solve all probs was to deaf ears).
    I did and still do love this Team. They made for a fun Season –just too bad they left bad taste