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There are some reservations orbiting Angel Delgado‘s Wednesday decision to sign with an agent and turn pro.

Following Jeremy Schneider’s story on NJ.com yesterday that stated Angel’s decision was not yet certain, I have also heard from multiple sources that there are lingering reservations and that the original report may have been premature.

There is — of course — a difference between deciding to turn pro and signing on the dotted line, but it appears the former isn’t even set in stone.

A wide range of factors may be in play here from conflicting viewpoints within Delgado’s camp, to the overwhelmingly negative public backlash following Wednesday’s report which intuitively wouldn’t sit well with any agency looking to sign a client. 

For now, no news is good news for Seton Hall fans. 

Angel has until 10 days after the NBA Draft Combine (May 9-14) to withdraw his name and retain his final year of eligibility.

  • hallballyall

    Interesting.. I get the sense that AD had some people in his ear that were more concerned with quick $$$ than his future. Now that word has leaked about him turning pro, he’s probably been able to get some more honest (albeit potentially biased for SHU fans) feedback. Hope he sticks around and sees this thing through.

    • Angel is aware of his limitations and how being an NBA starter may be unattainable. Even if he left now, nothing wrong with trying to make an NBA roster and then going overseas if that doesn’t pan out — assuming he has viable back-up offers overseas.

      Always easy for fans/analysts to judge a decision when they don’t have families that aren’t well off and could be benefited from more-immediate income.

      Honestly surprised at how many fans shot down his decision and then cited how he isn’t ranked by mock drafts or invited to combine — going pro doesn’t necessarily mean the NBA.

      Not easy being stuck between wanting to see out a career and play with friends/teammates and immediately being able to help yourself/family and play professionally — which is the dream of most serious athletes from a young-ish age.

      • HallBall10

        If he wants to pursue a basketball career overseas, all power to him.(somewhat similar to Auda’s decision)

        I think some of the backlash was mostly geared towards the sports agency and possibly those in his inner circle filling Angel’s head of the idea of going to the NBA, which at this point seem unrealistic. We love Angel and want the best for him and don’t want to feel that he got bamboozled by anyone.

        It’s hard on the fans because this upcoming year has been anticipated for 4 years now. But if Angel knows what he’s committing himself too then all power to him..

        “I wish I spent one less year in college and didn’t earn my degree” said no one ever.

        • Hallbuster

          Can’t compare him to Auda! AD has real NBA talent. The improvement over just this season was amazing. Come on

        • LBP

          Nicely written HallBall10

      • PadrePirate

        From the posts I read, the initial negative reaction to the news was due to 2 factors–equation of turning pro with NBA (which seemed a long shot to everyone) and rumors/suspicion that agent/friends were taking advantage of him. Sure, SHU fans want him back, but his decision did not make sense to me until re-viewed the thing through the Int’l ball lens. If that’s where he’s headed, there are not strong (bball) reasons to stay on at SHU.

      • Hallbuster

        Chris I respectfully disagree with u completely. Seton hall basketball aside it is very difficult to make an arguement that another year won’t dramatically increase his chances as a first round pick. The difference btwn Europe and going first round is such night and day that is worth 1 more year of sacrifice. Worst case you can go the same path overseas a year from now. Again I rather him transfer and go play for someone else his senior year then try and go pro now.

        • ThePirateFan

          What is a year of ball at SHU going to do to his stock? He comes out a year later, still a monstrous rebounder with a jumpshot not worth utilizing at the NBA level and still struggles against bigger athletic players. His free throw shooting won’t improve as much as it would if he were playing professionally.

          What could he possibly improve upon to justify staying? The degree and the friendships and another crack at the NCAAs are what’s waiting for him with another year at the hall, but not much in terms of improving his stock.

          • Hallbuster

            Selling his ability short. He has improved every year. Thats my opinion. You are free to have yours

          • ThePirateFan

            He has definitely improved every year. I just don’t see any of his non-NBA level skills developing into NBA level skills. He stays and he’s likely in the in position next year, one year older and one more year’s chances of injury.

  • Matty P

    I hope he disconnects from Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram for the next week. For this next week he needs to stay away from everyone’s opinion on what he should or shouldn’t do or what’s a good decision or horrible decision. In the end the decision needs to come from him and his family and they need to be comfortable in that decision and move forward regardless of the positive or negative backlash that might come from it.

    • Coach Mike

      Very well said.

  • Andrew Herbst

    This is good news. Hopefully Angel rediscovers his decision. Would love to have him back.

  • 1968_bills_fan

    So far, all I see that has happened is there has been one “source”, that was available to a few people and thought to be credible, that had Angel retaining an agent. Since nothing has come up to support that “source” and since, if that source was accurate, there has NOT been any evolution from that time,….. I’m going to say that it was all B.S.. B.S. Now look at where Angel is. He might just be able to get a non-guarenteed contract in the NBA, and would likely be out the door without a degree and with a few bucks in his pocket. (More studs come out of HS, college and the internationals every year). It might be better for him to go international and maybe have a 2-5 year career at ?maybe? $150K/year. If he is careful, it could be a good start at being successful in life. OR HE COULD come back to SHU, with Desi, Khadeem, IZ, Neiz, Powell, ……Cale, a couple of decent freshmen and MAYBE Duvall for a final season that would (hopefully) get SHU and him deep into the tournament, a top 20 or top 10 ranking. He would have his degree and some star power to get double the moola on going pro.

    Hey !! don’t rain on my parade. I’m a fan and a former SHU varsity athlete !!

    • 1968_bills_fan

      Well it is now 4 days since this first “breaking” news. Still nothing going on, except that a NJ news publication has repeated the same rumor, and some other have referenced this repeat-of-the-same-rumor as “confirmation” that it is the truth. Meanwhile, in other news, people have been smothered in SW China by an unexpected downfall of hundreds of frozen penguins from the sky.

      • Louie Dee

        LOL

  • Hallbuster

    Omg I really hope for his sake that an adult without alterior motives talked some sense in to him. I feel so bad for this kid. Giving up a better then 50pct chance at a first round draft pick next year with multiple year 7 figure salary (plus endorsements) to go get lost in turkey or Spain for a few hundred k.

  • Hallbuster

    6 figures overseas contract will still be there next year for him worst case. This kid has a much better than 50pct chance at getting drafted first round next year if he stays and then it’s a real life changer for him. Forget me being selfish and wanting him back for our team, just thinking about what is best for this young man who regardless we all owe a debt of gratitude. I rather him transfer and play his senior year somewhere else then leave for the pros now. Just because that’s better for him.

    • marco

      i disagree about the better than 50 percent chance at getting drafted
      first round next year… i think he’s a great player and rebounding does
      translate at the next level, but it’s the lack of
      explosiveness/athleticism/high ceiling/upside that keeps him from
      getting into the 1st round and it’s not really something that he can
      develop…

      i also don’t see him extending his shooting range if
      he stays another year… he’s pretty much going to live in the paint…
      and being another year older seems to work against him in the eyes of
      nba scouts who seem to want guys that are 18 or 19… he’s a great
      college player, but i don’t really know where he would fit in at the nba
      level… he’s not a stretch-4… he doesn’t block enough shots… he
      doesn’t have the length to be a rim protector..

      i
      think oversees is probably the best option either now, or hopefully, as a
      seton hall fan, after next year… i think at best he’s a late 2nd
      rounder in the nba either this year or next year… i just don’t see
      much changing, although the draft this year looks pretty deep… so
      maybe he should wait another year.

      • Well-put Marco. These are my thoughts exactly.

        • Hallbuster

          I think he is better then you guys are giving him credit for. And more importantly rapidly improving still. He dominated one of the best leagues. U guys are selling him short. One more year of maturity would go far. Just remember some of the great centers who came from this league. He just figured out how to dish the ball when triple teamed 2h of the season

          • Rich Ricci

            Don’t forget, the NBA is now filled with the BEST athletes in the world, so even many of the guards are playing the game above the rim, an area Angel Delgado is totally unfamiliar with and rarely visits! Although his footwork is fine, he has no vertical to speak of and his athleticism is non-existent, which allows even mediocre NCAA players to send his shot into the second row seats. His passing is okay for college, but he’ll be a turnover machine against the bigger, quicker and faster NBA athletes and his outside shooting, along with his defense (both on man and help), isn’t even close to NBA standards.

            As I said in an earlier post a few months ago, I’d compare Delgado’s game to Bryant “Big Country” Reeves, who led Oklahoma State deep in the NCAA Tournament in the early to mid-nineties and had a short NBA career, mainly because he was a legitimate seven footer, but even he couldn’t cut it with the same limited skills at that height, so I doubt if Angel will get more than a courtesy sniff.

          • PadrePirate

            Pretty brutal. I guess you’re right though. But, hey, if a dude like Bill Wennington can have a decent 15 yr NBA career (1985-2000) with limited athleticism, why not Angel? He is 2 inches shorter, however, and the game has evolved since then…

          • Rich Ricci

            It wasn’t intended to be brutal, just an honest assessment, PadrePirate. Yes, the game has evolved quite a bit from the days when Bill Wennington played, which would make Angel’s chances of making it in the NBA even more remote. The other factor that prolonged Wennington’s NBA career was that he ended up on a team with plenty of offense, so all he had to do was rebound, clog the middle and make wide open lay-ups or short jumpers when the opponents left him uncovered.

            All that being said, Angel will most likely have a very nice career somewhere overseas, but the NBA is simply a pipe dream at this point.

          • PadrePirate

            Agree. That’s why I understand if he’s goes now to get started overseas. If he’s basically hit his ceiling and his skill-set is not adapted to the NBA game, another year in the BE is not going to change much. Staying at SHU another year would make more sense, if he’s looking to gain more exposure and boost his NBA prospects. I’m all for getting a diploma, but it’s not my career.

          • Louie Dee

            Wow, that’s a pretty pessimistic outlook for someone leading the nation in rebounds and double-double.

          • Rich Ricci

            Again, it’s not pessimistic at all, but it is a realistic evaluation of Angel’s chances of making it in the NBA. Leading the NCAA in double doubles or rebounds is not an accurate indicator of what he will do against bigger, stronger, faster and quicker athletes in the NBA. Sure, the statistics are impressive, but the way he accumulated them doesn’t translate at all to the way the game is played in the NBA, which is reflected in the fact that he wasn’t even invited to the Draft Combine for a look.

            I’d like to see Angel have a successful NBA career as much as anyone but, by the same token, I’m not going to try to fool myself or, for that matter, anyone else, into believing he has a legitimate shot of making it happen!!

      • ThePirateFan

        Agreed. Best case scenario is developing into a Kurt Thomas or Charles Oakley type, but that player isn’t particularly coveted in the NBA these days.

        I think he can be a great role player because of his exceptional rebounding talent. He can play D and rebound without utilizing many shots on the offensive end, and that’s fine. I just don’t see how another year at the hall helps him with any of those things.

  • Louie Dee

    I read an interesting comment someone posted that the fans are just concerned Angel might be getting bad advice. I guess the fans are so passionate about this situation because AD is such a good person and the fans want what’s best for him.

    I keep hearing about 6 figures for international ball but what does 6 figures mean? $100k, $200k? That’s not a lot of money after taxes. Also what if he gets hurt after year one, he still won’t have a degree and would have to pay out of pocket to finish it. Finishing his degree could cost him approximately $20k-$50k. If he decides to transfer to another university, not all his credits will be transferable and he could drop down to a sophomore costing him anywhere between $50k-$75k. Being dropped to a sophomore can be discouraging and he might not ever finish.

    No one seems to be talking about AD finishing his degree. I believe he’s first generation in the USA and would be the first to graduate a university in his family. That’s a big deal. Not to mention the money that a degree can bring you in your life time. The labor statistics show there’s a big income gap between someone who doesn’t have a degree vs. someone who does.

    I guess it all depends on what they mean by six figures. If its $999k, then by all means Angel go play international basketball.

    • PadrePirate

      I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that a college degree is a good thing and would give him a base to build on after basketball. But, the choice before him right now is A. start his pro career (he’s 23, so that will likely last 10 yrs max) with the best deal he can find, or B. stick around at SHU for a senior year with a potentially top 25 team. Would “B” really get him a significantly better contract or NBA opportunity? If not, the only reason for B is the degree. It seems like opinions are pretty mixed about AD’s ability to play in the NBA. Plus, a senior-year injury can happen (Maurice Watson Jr) that could really set a guy back. If you factor in family-based needs as well, “A” (pro now) at least makes sense.

      • Louie Dee

        There’s a lot of “what ifs,” in your comments but the degree can never be taken away. And by the way, Dunn and Hield were lottery picks and they were 22 years old. Only one year younger than AD.

    • Hallbuster

      Good points. 6 figures prob means 200k to maybe 300k max if he played internationally now.

  • hallstorm

    I’ve pretty much withheld from soliciting my opinion on here regarding this as it came as quite a shock. I’m not sure what to think except that it is all very surprising. I do not think going pro is a good decision based on what I’ve read regarding scouts and professional talent evaluators (mostly since Angel wasn’t invited to any of the combines), but I really have no idea. If this were my son, I wouldn’t recommend doing what he is doing. But as it’s been cited on here we all have no idea on where his head is at.

    That being said, if he chooses to leave his options are:

    1). Going overseas and being a significant distance from his family to play basketball. He could thrive over there and play well–maybe be taught things he wouldn’t have learned here (although I doubt the second part of that)

    2). Play in the D league and hope to get some 10 day contracts in the pros that will hopefully transition into a long-term contract of some sort with his game perhaps developing into fellow NJ Kenneth Faried’s game.

    …..or he could play out his senior season and maybe get some national attention that was overlooked this past season. It seems like Williard is stacking some high level opposition this season and that could be exactly what Angel needs to garner some spotlight the whole year.

    I’ve read both sides regarding his upside: one prospect evaluator said he has hit his ceiling and another saying if he keeps improving he could play his way into being a late first round selection.

    I hear all the things about him being older, but he is “old” now and being 22 vs. 23 isn’t going to matter much in regard to the section of the draft he could be taken. No one over the age of 21 will be taken in the first 15 picks, but after that I’m not so certain a year here or there matters much.

    In my humble opinion, I think honing his free throw shooting, developing a left hand move and hitting the elbow jumper consistently would create tons of possibilities for AD. If nothing else, it would have the scouts talking about him.

    A team like San Antonio–who finds gold in late first round and second round selections–could be a place that ultimately would work for him. Popovich seems to still be teaching the game well and could instill some needed confidence into Angel’s weaknesses that I mentioned above.

    Despite all the limitations that have been spoken about with respect to Angel’s game, the big question is what’s the best option for him to improve? I do not think he has hit his ceiling and I believe there is room for average-athletic, but talented big men in the NBA still.

  • hallstorm

    One final note: I would say that a lot of our opinions on here are based on what we’ve all heard and I don’t think anyone would want to see Angel fail. I would like to think that if Angel was a sure a NBA player that everyone would be excited to follow him at the next level. I think we all worry he is getting the wrong advice and false hope. I hope we are all wrong.

    Oh–and the talk about him getting injured? In no way does that EVER factor into a young, healthy player’s decision process who has never sustained a life threatening injury in his/her past. Everyone thinks they are invincible when they’re younger and for good reason when they are elite athletes.

    • Hallbuster

      Good points

  • Louie Dee

    On another note, Chris have you ever seen so many comments during the off season. This is awesome! People are writing essays. I love it! lol

    • hallstorm

      Haha. All true. It’s the most amount of commenting I’ve seen in the entire time Chris has had this site and his past one. It beats the old school Seton Hall forums like shupirates.com, south orange juice (well, this was Chris’ original one), seton hall rivals and the rest.

  • Marklemore84

    Its amazing how quickly the Duval speculation has died down. At least we have Angel to thank for that!

  • VinBick

    With all due respect to Angel’s play on the b’ball court, securing his degree from the Hall may be far more valuable than quick bucks in Europe or elsewhere. If a pro contract involves millions immediately, fine. Is there anyone expecting him to receive a contract worth more than 200-250K? His real earning power may be lost by turning pro too soon.

    It is sad to see kids make poor choices that have far-reaching impact beyond playing a sport for a short time. Hope he does well, he gave Seton Hall his all!

    • ThePirateFan

      A six figure salary would go a long way to paying for that final year of college if he decides to go back and finish it

      • Louie Dee

        Go a long way? lol

        What’s the six figure salary? $100k? $200k?

        $100k after taxes is $65k-$70k, which isn’t a lot of money. Most college grads earn about $100k in a year and six months out of college, depending on their major.

        He might never go back to school all for $100k or $200k, that’s not a smart decision. In addition, he will have to pay $20-$50k of his already taxed dollars to finish his degree, leaving him a net amount of approximately $15k. That doesn’t include all his living expenses, and the money he might need to send to his family in DR. The degree on the other hand, statistically speaking will bring approximately $2.1 million dollars in his lifetime (thoughtco.com).

        Oh by the way, Roc Nation will also be taking their share of the six figure contract.

        • VinBick

          Your post puts the real value of trying to help his family in perspective. Angel has far more options to help his family and himself financially by staying in school. Does anyone here have the salary data on players outside of the US? Someone mentioned his prospect of being a “big star” in the Dominican Republic. Have any of you been to that impoverished country?
          It does not bode well for a talented b’ball player to make big bucks in that setting.

        • Matt

          A lot of good points but most college grads do not earn 6 figures after only 1 year and 6 months after graduation regardless of major. Very few if any do in that time period and they did not graduate from Seton Hall maybe the Ivy !

          • Louie Dee

            I know a lot of people that got out of Seton Hall and made $60k starting mostly from the business school, majors were accounting and finance. Some who worked at an investment bank also got bonuses with that.

            My friend got a job at J&J out of Seton Hall starting $70k. 70k for 1 year, plus 35k 6 months equals $105k. And if you get a job in NYC it’s even more. It all depends what’s your major. Engineers make between $60-$100k first year. Computer science majors start at $100k in Silicon Valley. It all depends on major and location.

          • Matt

            That’s great for your friend. But many analysts starting out are not having bonuses like that. And there are no engineering majors at Seton Hall. I’m speaking specifically about Seton Hall with finance majors included are “mostly” not making six figures within 1 and half years of working. Alumni surveys report less than that. Schools like Notre Dame and Georgetown or the Ivy much more likely. Within 5 years yes most depending on the major I think are in that range but most also have student debt from a private university which is much more than public or community.

        • Joe Schmoe

          Then you add in the chicks who target gents with pro contracts…you start to see your revenue stream dwindle when you have the courts coming after it…. I see IW had his first kid last week….

  • Mike Walsh

    Angel – would love to see you play one more year at the HALL! Best of luck with whatever decision you make. Pirate fans want you to succeed regardless.

  • Hallbuster

    Angel love you man. Thanks for all your heart and soul as a pirate. I genuinely do believe it’s in your best interest to stay another year and show u can be an NBA playerl. Also u will get ur degree. That’s just my opinion but I really believe u will be even better with another year, turn more heads, and have a real shot at the first round in the NBA draft. Regardless what u decide I wish u the best. You are a special young man!

  • SHU95

    Angel’s decision, which is his business, to me comes down to one more year at SHU or ideally turning Pro in Europe. If he can get into one of the upper leagues in Spain, Italy, Germany etc. he stands to start off much higher than 100K and with good play could easily reach 7 figures 3-4 years down the line. If his Pro option is playing in Turkey for 150K, staying in school should be a no brainer…however if he can play for Spain for 400K and have some success, that would be a diffent story. I guess its hard for us as we dont really know what “over seas” options really mean. There is a wide range of possibilities so we should hope for whatevers best for him. Selfishly, i hope he comes back and gets BIG money in Spain or somewhere comparable next year. Either way, Wish him the best, he seems like a really good kid, who has been a great factor in making SHU relevant again.

  • fouline

    Stay or go, what a decision. But for those who don’t see AD as NBA talent, think Frederic Weis “Le dunk de la mort”. The Knicks drafted him because he is 7′. And he didn’t even want to play in the US. Go figure, uh? So… AD the ball is still mid court, what are you going to do?

  • 1968_bills_fan

    “……Players wishing to enter the 2017 NBA Draft were required to submit a
    letter to the NBA to be received no later than Sunday, April 23.
    Players who have applied for early entry have the right to withdraw
    their names from consideration for the Draft by notifying the NBA of
    their decision in writing no later than 5 p.m. ET on Monday, June 12.
    Under NCAA rules, in order to retain college basketball eligibility,
    underclassmen that have entered the 2017 Draft must withdraw by
    Wednesday, May 24…..”

    http://www.nba.com/article/2017/04/25/nba-announces-early-entry-candidates-2017-nba-draft

    Okay, today is May 14, the day of the end of the combine. Angel has 10 days to withdraw from consideration of the draft and be able to come back the SHU. Be patient. If he has already signed with an agent this doesn’t matter- he is committed to not playing college ball anymore. If anyone has any definite proof that he has signed a legal contract with an agent- well let us see it. I’ve just see a couple of announcements about the same rumor and the later ones have been quoted as confirmation that the earlier ones were “true”. That is just BS

    • PadrePirate

      10 more days… This has been quite the suspenseful off-season so far! Still waiting on AD and TD. Maybe the latter is waiting on the former. I choose both 🙂

      • Matty P

        Duval announced on Twitter that he’s going to be attending Duke. Unfortunately another top recruit that the staff took down to the wire but was unable to land.

        • Joe Schmoe

          Its nice to see SHU on top recruits final lists. Either way we have a solid team for next year. Looking forward to it.

          • Matty P

            Agreed, with or without Duval and/or Delgado, we should have a fun team to watch and one that should be competitive. I would rather the coaching staff build the team through players who are in the 50-250 range with the occasional top 50 player.

      • Joe Schmoe

        When I told my wife(who played bball) about the AD dilemma, her response was “Good. He doesn’t play defense. He cant shoot. all he does is stand there. Maybe they wont lose to nova next year because he forgot to box out his player at the end of the game….”

        • PadrePirate

          Would she be willing to man the 5 spot? I have some contacts in the AthDept, and there’s still one scholly left 🙂 For the record, I think it was Desi who didn’t box out Hart…

  • Matty P

    It’s official that Duval has picked Duke. No more need to worry or think about that part of the equation anymore.

  • Andrew Herbst

    Duval’s going to Duke. So be it. At least the speculation is over.

    • Joe Schmoe

      his “commitment video” wasn’t all that impressive for having months to put it together…

      • Andrew Herbst

        I don’t want kids like that. All about themselves

        • Joe Schmoe

          agreed

  • Thehall

    Duval commits to duke.

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